"Whether Ya Like It Or Not!"
That was the refrain of San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom's infamous speech following the California Supreme Court's "Marriages" case.
And from today's San Francisco Chronicle:
"A group of San Francisco first-graders took an unusual field trip to City Hall on Friday to toss rose petals on their just-married lesbian teacher - putting the public school children at the center of a fierce election battle over the fate of same-sex marriage....
Mayor Gavin Newsom, a friend of a friend, officiated.
But there was a question of justifying the field trip academically. Jaroflow decided she could...
"It really is what we call a teachable moment," Jaroflow said, noting the historic significance of same-sex marriage and related civil rights issues. "I think I'm well within the parameters."
Nonetheless, the excursion offers Proposition 8 proponents fresh ammunition for their efforts to outlaw gay marriage in California, offering a real-life incident that echoes their recent television and radio ads...
'It's just utterly unreasonable that a public school field trip would be to a same-sex wedding,' said Chip White, press secretary for the Yes on 8 campaign. "This is overt indoctrination of children who are too young to have an understanding of its purpose...'
The trip illustrates the message promoted by the campaign in recent days, namely that unless Prop. 8 passes on Nov. 4, children will learn about same-sex marriage in school.
'It shows that not only can it happen, but it has already happened,' White said.
Whether Ya Like It Or Not!
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I literally want to vomit. Through the prayers of the Theotokos O Savior, save us!
Opponents of Prop 8 state that kids won't be taught about gay marriage? If this isn't proof I don't know what is. I can't believe the parents of these first graders allowed their kids to go to this, or didn't they know. Unbelievable.
Proposition 8 is a ridiculous attack on human dignity. The truth is this: Same-sex couples exist, and will continue to exist whether Prop 8 passes or not. Same-sex couples enjoy virtually all the same rights and privileges afforded to male-female unions - with two 'glaring' exceptions; Rights to Receivership, and Visitation Rights!
That's right folks. Modify the California State Constitution so that 'marriages' can only be between males and females, same-sex unions will continue to occur. Only those loving couples cannot inherit their partners (or their own 'joint') wealth and real estate, and those couples cannot visit each other as one lays dying in the hospital.
Is THAT fair? Does THAT sound like a proper practice for HUMANS? Inheritance and Visitation by spouse or next of kin?
That's the bottom line. Vote NO on Proposition 8. Don't let the prejudices of some stodgy old bureaucrat from the 19th century tell you otherwise. Every 'Pro' 8 campaign ad is rife with lies; No church will have to change a damn thing, No church will lose it's tax standing, No school will change the ways it teaches children.
For once in your life - have the compassion to defend basic human rights and dignity.
Vote NO on Proposition 8.
guitartech, this is the same response you have posted on other blogs... Why don't you get an original thought?
This issue is not about fairness or tolerance, or human dignity, it's about something very simple: Preserving the definition of marriage, as it has existed for thousands of years. Prop 8 does not take away a gay couple's rights - it just means that you cannot call their union a "marriage".
So, just call it something else, and legally define that type of union. I don't see what is wrong with that, and that solution overcomes your two glaring exceptions.
Fact: We would not be doing this if 4 judges had not overturned the will of the people, and in case you have forgotten, we are living in the United States, and the will of the people is an essential part of our system of law, and democracy. Right?
No judge should be able to overturn the will of the people.
Respect the rights of individuals who believe in the sanctity of marriage, and likewise, you will be respected for whatever your beliefs are.
Frankly, the "bone you want to pick" is not with the "Yes on 8" crowd, but with existing California law, which does not address your concerns about receivership and visitation... You're taking your anger out on the wrong people.
However, liberals and the gay community are going about this all wrong... Just think about that for a moment, because when I hear you guys speak about tolerance, I happen to know that you are not tolerant of conservative and religious individuals who may oppose your point-of-view. They have their beliefs, and you have your beliefs.
Finally, let me address your final thought about what will happen in the event Prop 8 loses...
Logic and reason that if you want to learn what happens after gay marriage is legalized, then you must visit a state in which that has occurred: Massachusetts. If you are honest with yourself, and respectful of the beliefs of others, you will see that there is A LOT to be concerned about. If Prop 8 fails to pass, we're talking about a fundamental change in society, and you would be a fool not to recognize that.
As messed up as our society is in this country, do you think Prop 8 will contribute to the confusion, or will help to improve the lack of values and moral conviction in our society?
Think about it, long and hard, because believe me, you don't know what you are talking about.
Per California law, in order attend a field trip, the students' parents must sign a permission slip. This isn't a case of sneeky infiltration by the school. The parents allowed it.
Why did you not post other items in this article, like:
- "A parent came up with the idea for the field trip" = It was not the schools idea.
- "The 18 Creative Arts Charter School students took a Muni bus and walked a block at noon" = No public funds were used.
- "As is the case with all field trips, parents had to give their permission and could choose to opt out of the trip. Two families did. Those children spent the duration of the 90-minute field trip back at school with another first-grade class, the interim director said."
In other words, it was not 'mandatory'. Get the facts straight.
Vote NO ON PROP 8!
I agree with guitartech.
I honestly find it disgusting that people don't want same sex marriage.
"Protect marriage"
What are we protecting it from? Are we too scared to see a man and a man walking down the aisle?
Imagine if it was the other way around. What if they didn't allow a man and woman to marry?
Now we would know how they would feel.
I want same-sex people to have chance at a marriage and I really do not want the damn church to step into this.
Those first graders are going to learn something. They're going to learn that everyone isn't the same. Sure, they're going to ask, "Mommy, why are those girls kissing?"
What is Mommy going to say?
"Honey, don't stare. That's wrong to look at because what they're doing is wrong and gross."
Or...
"They love each other. Just like how your Daddy and I do."
I haven't gone to church in years because I lost interest. I don't believe in "god" anymore because it is said that if you are gay, you are going to hell.
My mother told me, " 'god' said it was adam and eve, not adam and adam and eve and eve."
That is pure bull right there.
NO ON PROP 8.
Everyone deserves a chance at marriage, vows and a big ceremony.
I'm for same-sex marriage, and always will be.
Think of it like this, in the 1960s during the civil rights movement when Alabama desegregated schools and african-americans were free to go to the same school as white americans, I hope everyone would agree that it was a monumental part of history, I know I would have wanted my kids there to support those students. It's the same way, this is progression, homosexuals can now enjoy the same liberties heterosexuals enjoy and I would want my kids there to see this great event in our nation's history.
please don't equate someones racial background with another persons choice in sexual partner. no one chooses their race
This article is missing a very crucial point, the fact that permission slips were given to all children. These permission slips stated the agenda and purpose of the field trip and parents had the CHOICE to opt their children out of attending, and 2 in fact did. So the children were not FORCED to go, there was a CHOICE.
Have you all forgotten the premise of America? We are all free to be! There is no money taken from your pocktes nor doe sit affect your household. And to the comment that you cannot campare the racial integration.... YES YOU CAN! I sware its like people have nothing else better to worry about except other people's homes.
Since you have brought up kids...Let's talk about how many children will be adopted and loved, lets talk about how many single mom's willbe able to finally marry their partner and make a whole family. Two entities that can love and support each other legally.
Seriously, you are not the judge of me, You are not in charge of my destiny.
No On Prop 8!
While the rest of the world gets with the times and modernises, the USA, in true style, continues to live in the dark ages.
Go on, Americans. Cover your eyes, stick your fingers in your ears and make whatever noises you must to deny that homosexual people deserve the same rights as anyone else.
How does it actually make a jot of difference what sex a couple is? It doesn't. Not in the slightest. What two people do in their own bedroom, their sex and sexuality is completely irrelevant, has absolutely no bearing on my life, your life or ANYONE ELSES other than those two people.
How about you people just grow up and stop being so absolutely narrow minded and pathetic? To deny loving people the right to marriage is disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourselves.
Yes, it is sick and yes I have taught my son that it is wrong. Schools are teaching this crap to try to get the next generation of Americans to feel that this is acceptable behavior. You may want your children to have their minds twisted, but I will not let it happen to mine. As far as the parents allowing their children to attend this field trip, well that’s San Fran-sicko for ya. But the biggest issue I have here is that it is not the schools place to teach our children topics such as this. So quit trying to brainwash Americas youth! Someone on here said, “Who are to take away their right to marry or call their union a marriage”? I want to know why do they think they ever had a right to what normal people have? We are letting this country slide deeper into the pit of immorality. May God have mercy on this country if you liberals take over.
Oct 26, 2008
Outraged Parents of Children Featured in Latest Yes on 8 TV Ad Demand that Commercial be Taken off the Air Immediately
Latest Campaign Gimmick Termed Exploitative and Shameless by Parents
SACRAMENTO – The parents of the two children most prominently featured in the latest multi-million dollar Yes on 8 political spot today termed those ads “distasteful and exploitative” and demanded that the ads be taken off the air immediately. Both sets of parents – Laura Hodder and Matt Alexander and Jen Press and James Moore, sent two hand-delivered letters this morning. The first letter is to the Yes on 8 Campaign demanding the ad be removed from its television and its Web site where it is being used as a fund raising tool. The second letter to the San Francisco Chronicle asks them to intervene on their behalf. The Yes campaign manipulated video that the Chronicle has posted on its Web site.
I'm a proud married lesbian. When I got married my nephews were with us and they are apart of a wonder time in my life like most of you have done with your family children. It does not harm children to see two people in love no matter if they are same-sex. I rather my nephews see love than hate.
If your kids are gay they gay and if they are straight they are straight. You don't change over night so what makes you think your kids will.
A new post on this issue has just been added. Go here:
http://johnmalloysdb.blogspot.com/2008/10/bill-may-tells-it-like-it-is.html
Make sure to go to the link of the San Francisco Chronicle's video of the lesbian "wedding" and watch it right to the end. It's pretty funny, actually. They were intending to make a "No on 8" statement, but it backfired spectacularly.
I've had to talk about gay marriage with my children more than any teacher ever will have to lately because of all the YES on 8 signs in all the lawns and all the ads on TV. For a group trying to protect children from the gory details of same sex people having a ceremony, they certainly are flaunting the subject all over the place. Isn't divorce a bigger problem for American families than Gay marriage? Anyone want to outlaw that? That is actually a lifestyle choice. I think smoking is wrong and I don't want my children exposed to it, let's ban it. What is the gay agenda exactly? They believe they were born that way so I doubt they are trying to turn everyone gay. Maybe the agenda is acceptance. I wish them luck. We are living so comfortably in denial on this and many other issues as a nation.
Anonymous 9:03AM:
You ask: "Isn't divorce a bigger problem for American families than Gay marriage?" No, divorce isn't a problem at all--not any more. Once it was. Now, as you say, it's just an "accepted lifestyle choice."
Proposition 8 isn't about "gay marriage," it's about marriage, period. Now is the time and the opportunity to remind people of what marriage is and what it is for: a stable loving environment where a mother and father raise up the next generation. As Bishop Vigneron says in the "Marriage Matters to Kids" video, "This may be the providential moment" when our culture remembers what marriage is.
This sounds like the same rhetoric that was prevelant in with the "sexual revolution". All that did was tell young women that they can do whatever they want with thier bodies. It also told men that they are no longer needed by the children they bore. Now abortions are used as birth control and fathers are no where to be found.
I resent what I was told back then and I resent what is being told now. What if that same teacher decided to take the children to Church?
From one anonymous to another- well said, friend.
Arise, anachronisms. The world has changed- and for the better. Gays are no longer "those people". They never were, but we are finally waking up. They are our doctors, soldiers, ministers and counselors. They are our fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters and friends. Prop 8 may pass, but I remain hopeful. The cat the founders let out of the bag, that all are created equal, will eventually stand triumphant. It did for womens sufferage. It did for civil rights. You may wish to revert to some idylic past, but the past pushes us forward towards inclusivism and universal rights.
Reading through this blog I realize how many ignorant people there are in the world.
The fact that there are people who read this who still believe that people choose to be gay is amazing to me. Why would anyone choose to be hated and treated like second class citizens?
The fact that people reading this believe that a “civil union” has the same rights and protections as marriage is mind boggling. To make the two the same over 1,000 laws would have to be changed. This includes not only visitation and inheritance, but also tax and other legal issues.
I have yet to have one person who favors 8 tell me how who I marry actually affects their marriage without referring to the bible. This is America and yes our founding fathers based our initial laws on biblical beliefs, but they also gave us freedom of religion, we have the right to believe or not believe the way we feel is right for us, we do not have the right to force those beliefs on anyone else,
I know of no one who would want to force a church to marry them if they were not welcome there, so a church’s freedom to believe the way they want is safe. I was not taught about marriage in school, so again not really an issue except for those easily manipulated by what they see on television.
The argument is protecting “traditional” marriage; well it wasn’t that long ago that people could use the same arguments against interracial marriage. Those were not “traditional” marriages, now they are common place.
If you want to protect marriage what needs to be done is divorce must be outlawed. It is against the bible; it splits up families and harms children and is the cause of the death of more than 50% of marriages today. Divorce is a far bigger danger to children and marriage than gay marriage.
Stop discriminating against gays we are not trying to “turn” your children, we don’t even want to change you, we just don’t want to be discriminated against.
Proposition 8 is about protecting kids, preserving religious freedoms, and allowing parents their rightful right to teach their kids moral issues at home when they see fit. I have heard arguments against this; however, in such cases there is no evidence or data to back up their view points. I'm not one for risking uncertainties on children. Don't fall for the cheap lies out there. It doesn’t' take much looking around to see how obvious these effects will be on children. Kids have a right to be taught adult issues when they are old enough to understand them. It is a disservice to indoctrinate them or force upon them these issues before they can understand them. No one should have the right to force this upon our youth.
PROPOSITION 8 is about give back to the people something they already agreed upon in 2000, except 4 Activist judge went against the voice of the people.
This is also about preserving the sanctity of marriage. If a same sex couples have a title already "Civil Union". If they feel this title is discriminatory, perhaps another title can be used, besides marriage. Marriage has always been between a husband and a wife.
Same sex couples are already entitled to benefits, similar if not the same as a married couple (between a man and women). If more benefits are the issue here, then this is another matter.
If someone willfully goes against the Status Quo then they by natural design are be subject to the natural consequences of that choice.
To change the current system based upon 2% of the population roughly is less than equitable and shows little or no regard for the other 98% of the people who were living their lives, many of which do so peacefully. It is my wish for us all to find a way to live peaceable, even though there are differing options out there.
There are too many uncertainties for children and families. Schools should NOT have the right to teach children on morale issues. This responsibility should rest with the child's parents/guardians.
It was to bad that JACK O' CONNELL (President of the California Department of Education) and the leaders for the No on Prop 8 turned down the invitation to discuss these issues this week end. A question answer session would have been more concrete for the public. The public does deserve to know what consequences they will be voting for prior to voting. I am very concerned about how this will affect children and families. Where have our morales as a people went? Check out how this has affected other families in MA. The Wirthlin family and others have went through a lot to preserve and protect a right that was once theirs. Think about it!
VOTE YES ON PROP 8 because it is right for children, families, churches and schools. Study the issue, look at the facts, don't be an uninformed voter. Get out and exercise your right to vote.
The decision was already made, and law passed. Prop 8 simply strives to enforce the will of the people.
The issue is much more in common with religion then civil rights. Sexual orientation is a choice, its a decision to follow a certain path. We have protections to ensure this freedom, as we have protection covering the free exercise other beliefs, like religion. If this field trip was to a church for a service, the law suits would be flying, even with parental consent.
This is not about civil rights, its about the gay agenda's systematic erosion of others rights and free exercise of them. We are simply saying... Stop.
If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, how he has not seen (1 John 4:20)
Whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks around in the darkness; he does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded him (1 John 2:11)
--and if you say that gay people are not considered your brother then you are wrong because God created them and he created you...
Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger; brawling and slander, along with every form of malice (Eph. 4:31).
Do not accuse a man for no reason, when he has done you no harm (Peter 3:30)
Be devoted to one another in brotherly love. Honor one another above yourselves (Rom. 12:10)
Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves. Each of you should look not only to your own interests, but also to the interests of others (Ph. 2:3-4)
--How can you not see that proposition 8 is banning marriage and love for only one reason, selfish belief in one religion. If we are going to ban circumstances of marriage because of the word of God, then I suppose we should also ban divorce. I suppose anyone who had premarital sex before marriage should be banned from getting married. Or maybe any 'man and woman' that did not get married in a church with a priest should have their right to marriage taken away from them. Proposition 8 is discrimination. If we are going to discriminate and say we have the right to choose who can be married to each other, then we might as well say that a black man and a white woman cannot get married. Or that a Japanese woman cannot marry a Hispanic man. Who are we to judge?
All of you, live in harmony with one another; be sympathetic, love as brothers, be compassionate and humble (1 Peter 3:8)
I absolutely agree with Guitartech. It's astonishing how people can't distinguish the difference between equality and discrimination. Come on people, I thought we were moving on and accepting the fact that it's okay for same-sex couples to get married. How would you like it if the one person you love and wish to spend the rest of your life with could only go as far as being "significant others". That just isn't fair. Vote NO on 8. Everyone deserves the same opportunity to marry whoever they want.
According to the bible, all creatures on earth were created in gods image. I have always interperated that to mean that he made us the way we were supposed to be, not just in physical likeness but in personality as well. If that's the case, then gays and lesbians are also gods creations and should be treated with the same respect as everyone else. They are also fellow human beings. The US Declaration of Independence states that all men are created equal. It does not say that all straight men are created equal. Just men. We are all the same, regardless or race, color, creed, or sexual preference.
I'm not saying that people of faith should not fight for their beliefs. Just know that you are fighting a losing battle.
We are on the brink of the greatest change in human history. Gay rights are only a very small part of it. In a society that openly accepts abstract and unconventional ideas, ogranizations that discourage creative or forward thinking will not be tolerated. Religion is one of these organizations. Unless the leaders of these religious groups make a change in how they teach people about faith, namely in a way that does not pertetuate hate and intolerence, they will be left behind and forgotten when the future comes. Ignorance and hate are traits that will no longer be acceptable in a world where everyone is equal and free. The time is coming. Peace on earth can only be achieved by those who are willing to shed the hatreds of the past and move on towards a better and brighter existance. It is the responsibility of our generation to make this first and most difficult step. I leave the choice to you.....
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This is not a disgrace it is a nice thought from the PARENTS of these children. Don't you think MAYBE the parents chose to bring their children to the wedding? I'm sure the teacher didn't bring them, since it was HER wedding.
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